Hi All - Newbee here seeking Battery Advice.

Discussion in 'Beginners' started by Loachlover, Apr 18, 2018.

  1. Loachlover

    Loachlover New Member

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    Looking to buy a Smok Majestic 225w Kit and having trouble picking suitable batteries. I was thinking the LG HE4 2500 mAh 35 amp - would these suit best or can someone recommend a Better choice.
    I am a 50 year 25 a day smoker looking at Vaping as a better Health/Price option after struggling to give em up.
    So Happy to find this Forum.
    Cheers Graeme.
     
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  2. Charles Vaper

    Charles Vaper Senior Member

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    Nice mod BTW, I like the green. Remember, the choice of battery is based on what load will be placed, so, it's about the tank-coil used. If you plan on using the included TFV8 X-Baby Tank, the HE4's are fine. I use these also, they are great batteries.
     
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  3. Loachlover

    Loachlover New Member

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    Thanks Charles - I have read that LG and Sony are very good quality batteries. I will be using the 0.4 ohm coils supplied with the kit. Found the kit for AU$73.50 for the Resin model.
     
  4. KayP

    KayP Senior Member

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    Hi @Loachlover and welcome to the cafe. Battery safety should always be at the forefront; however, choosing batteries for a regulated device is easier than for a mechanical mod. Popular 18650 battery choices for regulated devices are the Samsung 30Q, Sony VTC6, LG HG2 and Samsung 25R. The LG HE4 appears to be decent; however, its 35A rating may be overzealous: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/t...a-good-20a-battery-but-25r5-is-better.732241/

    For more information on 18650 batteries, I recommend checking out:
    a) Battery Mooch's recommendations: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/attachments/7fdf0dbf-4d99-4676-932d-b3259735ef7d-jpeg.735233/ and
    b) @Noe 's Battery Safety thread: http://vapercafeaustralia.com/threads/battery-safety-which-is-the-best-battery-to-use.1007/

    In addition, and if you aren't already aware, it will be important for you to pair/marry the batteries together. The Smok Majesty is a dual battery device and it will be wise for you purchase two identical batteries together, i.e. same brand and model, and marry them, i.e. always use/discharge and charge them together. This is important as unmarried batteries will discharge and charge at different rates which could cause issues and even damage the mod's chip. That being said, it will also be wise to purchase a battery charger which will allow you to charge the two batteries together and at the same time. It is not a good idea to use the mod and its usb to charge your batteries.
     
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  5. Noe

    Noe Adorably quirky ... QUIRKY Noe! VCA Approved Post Whore

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    I Prefer Samsung over Sony & LG, although all three brands make quality batteries. However Samsung cells usually cost a bit less, compared to the other two brands (from the same retailer).
    My go to battery of choice presently (and has been for some time) is the Samsung 30Q because of its 3000mah capacity & high AMP rating (20A), these should also be suitable for you to use unless you plan to vape at over 120Watts (which no one I know actually vapes at that high a wattage).
    For more info I suggest reading my thread that @KayP linked above.
     
  6. Loachlover

    Loachlover New Member

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    Thanks for your replies KayP & Noe. I have already ordered the Smok Majestic and 2x LG He4 batteries from Vaperfi as well as a 240v USB charger adapter, 6 x Q2 0.4 ohm spare coils and 120 ml's total of 18mg nic e-juice. I will also get a smaller form one like the Aspire Pockex or Smok Stick X8 once I can decide which one - any suggestions welcome?? I think I might have jumped into the "deep-end" too far with the Majestic and might put it in the cupboard till I can be more confident using it and I get a good idea of what my vaping preferences turn out to be. I think they would be MTL with taste trumping cloud & T/H - but have to work this out through use I suppose. I do not really know if I should be going the Sub Ohm route as a newbie or not but have tried my sons G-Priv 2 and enjoyed using it and based my selection around that one with it's good safety features and adjustability. I want to get a 2 bay charger but have not even started researching these so any recommendations would be welcome. I will not charge with USB as you have said but would like to know why this is not a good idea??
    I have lot's more questions but will put these into other posts as I have rambled on too much already - sorry. Really appreciate your help !!!!
     
  7. Noe

    Noe Adorably quirky ... QUIRKY Noe! VCA Approved Post Whore

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    The Pockex is still the best starter kit for newbies IMO, I reviewed it here: http://www.vapercafeaustralia.com/threads/aspire-pockex-all-in-one-review.4436/
    It is so good in fact that I know many experienced vapers that use it either as a back up device or use it at work instead of taking their larger more powerful devices at work, I still use mine in some situations when I don't want to carry a larger mod around.
    There are several reasons I think it is so good but one in particular that would be very useful for yourself is that its airflow is adapable to the user. What I mean by that is that it can be used either for MTL or DL vaping depending on how hard you suck air through the device, although it is not really suited to vapers that want the tightest MTL draw or the loosest DL draw.

    As for a battery charger, I reviewed the Opus BT C3100 Battery Charger here: http://www.vapercafeaustralia.com/threads/opus-bt-c3100-v2-2-battery-charger-review.669/
    I am still loving that charger & using it but if your budget is a bit tight then you could use a Jetbeam or Nitecore i4 charger, as stated in the review, they don't have all the features of the Opus but they are very good & cheap chargers.
    These are all 4 bay chargers & I know you asked about 2 bay chargers but a 4 bay charger will charger 2 batteries, where a 2 bay charger won't charge 4 batteries at the same time & there are a lot of times I find myself charging 4 batteries at once, if like most of us you continue vaping for a year or more, then you'll appreciate having the extra 2 bays at some point. However Jetbeam & Nitecore also make a 2 bay version of the i4, called the i2, though the cost of 1 x i4 is cheaper than 2 x i2.

    Also, I always reccomend having 2 sets of batteries for your vape device, one you can be using & the other set being charged or ready to switch in when the set in use is flat.
    So this gives you an opportunity to perhaps buy another pair of different branded cells that you are curious about, after reading recommendations & comparing them for yourself to the ones you already have ordered.

    Charging through USB for any vape device using multiple cells is a really bad idea for the same reason that you "marry" your cells, you want both cells to have equal "wear" so that you don't have a dominant cell & a slave cell, thus both cells work in tandem. If you charge through USB, the circuitry is often not properly balanced, USB chargers are notoriously bad at balance charging & can create the master/slave situation, which means 1 cell is working harder than the other. This is a ticking time bomb, every time you charge the cells you would be putting more strain on one of them & less on the other, eventually that added strain is likely to cause one cell to fail & could end up in it exploding or venting, niether of which you want near your face.
     
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  8. Loachlover

    Loachlover New Member

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    Thank you so much Noe for your reply, it is great to have someone as knowledgeable as you to help me. I have just placed an order with VapourOxide for a Nitecore I2 charger - 2 Samsung 30Q's -a Pockex and 5 spare coils and a spare Glass. I am very excited about starting my Vaping soon and should have done this years ago.
    Cheers Graeme.
     
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  9. Rayjay

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    I certainly will second that statement @KayP, @Loachlover I had a mod vent my batteries when I used the internal charging circuit and the result was far from pleasant.
    Even when I go on my caravan holidays, I always take my battery charger with me. I now also tend to stay away from vapes that have internal batteries that you can only charge with the usb connection. Just do not trust internal mod chargers. Once bitten twice shy. As to my 18650 battery choice I use the LG18650 brown batteries which I find excellent if you ask @emu he knows a dealer in Oz that supplies genuine ones. Beware of buying them overseas as there are many fakes around also there is a big issue of getting batteries from OS as they seem now only allowed to be transported by snail mail and the same in Au Express post is not allowed for batteries.

    Welcome to the forum BTW I missed you coming in. Me bad.:hide:
     
  10. Rayjay

    Rayjay Senior Member

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    @Loachlover as far as battery charges go I like this one when I go on Holidays. RRP $39.00 but you may find it cheaper elsewhere there is also a 2 cell unit available
    The Nitecore brand which I used in the past I have ceased using as on two occasions when ordering replacement there were dry solder joints.

    I got mine from here:- There is also a useful link where you can compare prices of different Aussie vendors https://vapeassist.com/ just type what you are looking for in the white box.
    [​IMG] [​IMG] RRP $28.95 for two cell but for the diff. I chose the 4 cell.
    Here are its Specifications:
    Features & Benefits
    • Intelligent charger suitable for:
      • up to four 3.6V/3.7V lithium ion cells in sizes 10440, 14500, 14650, 16340, 17500, 17670, 18350, 18500, 18650, 18700, 22650, 25500, 26650, 32650.
      • and/or AAAA, AAA, AA, , SC, C, D size NiMH batteries.
    • Input via included USB charging cable.
    • Independent channels with high definition LCD screen displays charging current, battery voltage and capacity.
    • Intelligently recognise / display / charge NiMH and LiIon batteries at the same time.
    • Three-phase charging (TC-CC-CV).
    • Automatically adjusts charge current from 0.1A to 1.0A and max up to 0.5A*4 / 1.0A*2.
    • Soft start current and automatic shut-off to avoid damaging batteries with charge reactivation if cell voltage drops below 3.9V when batteries are left in the charger to keep ready for use.
    • 0V low battery activation.
    • Reverse polarity and short circuit protection.
    • Accidental insertion of faulty / NiMH batteries are automatically identified and will be displayed as 'NULL' on the screen.
    • Overheat protection as well as effective heat dissipation design and fire resistant ABS case.
    • LED red/green status indicators.
    By discharging the battery and recharging again, the VC4 is capable of identifying the real capacity left in the battery to ±5%, allowing you to better judge how long its current runtime might be and when it will need to be replaced.

    Charging parameters:

    • Input power: DC 5.0V 2.1A
    • Charging Current:
      • LiIon: 1000mA ±80mA max. (constant)
      • NiMH: 1000mA ±80mA max. (pulse)
    • Cut-off Voltage: 4.2V ±0.05V (LiIon);1.45V ±0.01V (NiMH)
    Package Includes
    • VC4 charger
    • USB charge cable
    • Soft carry pouch
    • User manual
    • Warranty card
     
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  11. KayP

    KayP Senior Member

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    I'm also excited for you. Be sure to keep us up to date, and feel free to ask any questions you have.
     
  12. Loachlover

    Loachlover New Member

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    Hi KayP, I am exited too as I can finally see the end of smoking cigarettes in my life. I got a Pockex last week and have been using some 6mg Jazzy Boba that my son left behind when he visited home a few months ago. It stopped my cigarette smoking completely but I found myself vaping more often than I had smoked, but figured it was because it was only 6mg/nic. I ran out of the Jazzy Boba today and am waiting for a delivery from US of some 12mg and 18mg juice I ordered a few weeks ago. I feel that I need a stronger Nic than the 6mg at the moment with the Pockex but think that might change when I get my Smok Majestic and my juices.
    I will try the 12mg in the Smok and the 18mg in the Pockex and see how that goes. Today when I ran out I started vaping some non-nic juice that Vapouroxide sent as a freebie with my Pockex but still resorted to 3 cigarettes, which is great considering I would have had 20 normally. I feel I have a much better resolve and mindset to limit the smokes to a minimum but hope my order comes this week so I can stop them completely like I did earlier. I will order a 250ml of 200mg nic from Hiliq this week to dose myself into Aussie juices rather than using imported nic juices in the future.
    I have been doing lots of reading on this forum and watching You-tube video's and would like to try using a RDA/RTA with some pre-made coils and wick them myself. I will try this after about 3 or 4 months and maybe even get a Squonk Mod.
    Cheers Graeme.
     
  13. KayP

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    Good to hear that you're coping well and have significantly reduced your cigarette intake.

    When I first started out I used a Kanger Subox Kit. The tank included in the kit came with a variety of airflow options: the biggest airflow setting allowed for a restrictive direct lung inhale and the smallest setting allowed for a mouth to lung inhale. During my first week it was the mouth to lung airflow setting, a 0.5 ohm coil build and a modest 8-12 watts that gave me the satisfaction and kept me clear of cigarettes. The vape it gave me was warm and restrictive, similar to the tight draw of a cigarette. In the following weeks I gradually increased the watts and opened up the airflow for a more airy vape.

    I was a half a pack to a pack a day smoker for 15 years. When researching the nicotine levels I should choose, I narrowed down my option to 12 mg. Choosing the e-liquid flavours was not difficult as I decided the route of ready to vape e-liquids from USA; I have virtually no allergies and was not picky with flavours and thus this part proved easy in my case. I happily vaped away 12 mg e-liquids in my Kanger Kit for the first month before I decided to venture into more advanced devices. I then halved my nicotine levels as I transitioned from single to dual coil setups in my tanks.

    I think the above combination greatly benefited in the easy transition I experienced. When looking at e-cigarettes as a smoking cessation device, it can be too easy to get lost in the large variety of options with regards to the different styles of vaping and available devices; however, I believe it should be much more important to focus on the cigarette. A cigarette offers a tight and warm draw, where one inhales first into the mouth and then into the lungs. Hence why it is called mouth to lung. I think a good mouth to lung device is the safest bet for a smoker looking to quit cigarettes as it will least likely take one out of his/her comfort zone by keeping things familiar. In addition, another benefit to mouth to lung vaping is one can use higher nicotine levels. This is crucial as the nicotine levels in one's vape will help against the withdrawal symptoms experienced when quitting cigarettes.

    With all that said, an initial mouth to lung device is not always necessary as I know folks who still managed to quit cigarettes using a direct lung device instead. Keep us up to date with how you go with your devices and e-liquids, and I wish you all the best.
     
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  14. texta

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    and the big bonus is you will have more money to spend on the fish tank/tanks /filters/food.
     
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  15. Loachlover

    Loachlover New Member

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    Thought it was time to give you an update and proud to say it has been over six months since my last cigarette - and I know I will never-ever relapse !!!
    Have been studying heaps on You Tube trying to find the right gear to suit my preference of MTL , with flavour trumping clouds, so a couple of months ago I got a Digiflavour Siren 2 and an Oumier Wasp Nano and have started making my own coils. I have also started making my own juice as I never really liked many commercial juices that I had vaped and have really enjoyed the results so far by adapting recipes off ELR and making a few simple ones myself. I got the Wasp so I could single flavour test concentrates by dripping but will soon get a Squonk mod to put it on, once I decide which one. The flavour on the Siren 2 is awesome and the airflow is smoother than Rip Trippers favourite pornstars ass. Still loving my Pockex and use it every day with 12mg nic but have cut down to 8mg nic in the Siren and Wasp.
     
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