Simple Vaping - Getting Started (2018)

Discussion in 'Beginners' started by Gabby, Mar 7, 2018.

  1. Gabby

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    This thread is about initial simple mouth to lung vaping, and in particular about getting started. It's not about cloudchasing, or fiddling with your watts and voltages, or wrapping your own coils - all fun things in the long run - but getting started is complicated enough without all these other things to get in the way.

    I was lucky when I started because I was advised by a pro who put me onto a simple AIO (all in one) starter kit with 18mg juice.

    My first big mistake was to start by sucking the vapour directly into my lungs (DTL) - a bit stupid really because most of us don't smoke that way - instead we draw the smoke into our mouth before sucking it into our lungs (mouth to lung or MTL).

    My second big mistake was to then immediately order a more expensive complex box mod as my backup. Not only was the draw too loose, but it popped and spat at me. It took a lot of fiddling and assistance both here and from the manufacturer to reach a just-tolerable vape (for me), and even then the thing is so complex to set up, I'm not sure I could get it back to the setting it's currently on.

    My third big mistake was to assume that just because a starter kit was promoted as being an MTL AIO, it would suit me (or any beginner vaper).
     
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    This one's about DRAW, the amount of sucking you need to get your hit.

    With a lot of the equipment out there you can't set them to give you a tight enough draw. Most cigs take a lot of sucking to get the smoke, and part of the transition to vaping is simulating that sucking effort, in part. This is an important issue initially for us to accept vaping as a plausible alternative. It's all part of the ritual of smoking.

    Over time as we become more used to vaping, there appears to be a tendency to prefer a looser draw, even if vaping MTL. I know that now after a couple of years of partial vaping, I can accept a looser draw, but I still prefer the tighter draw.

    IMO this results in many of the 'starter kits' out there not having a setting which will give me the tight draw I want. After all, most of the 'informed' sales they make are to semi-experienced vapers. Many YouTube reviews of new gear are less than useful in this regard. It's obvious that most of the reviewers normally vape DTL, and in one review of an AIO supposedly ideal for MTL, the reviewer didn't once use the MTL technique, and obviously had it set on a very loose draw.
     
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    SIZE does matter if you're going to tote the PV around with you, and particularly if you want to vape stealthily. On the other hand, smaller PVs have less capacity in both battery and juice. My general advice is to go smallish, change later if needed. In the early days it's probably better to get 2 PVs than one large one, because this gives you other contingency options (like if you drop one and it breaks).

    My favourites are shown below. From left to right are the eGo ONE TFTA, the basic eGo ONE and my stealth device, a Suorin Air. The TFTA is thicker and longer but still OK for a top pocket - it has double the charge and 10% more juice capacity than the basic.

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    These types of PVs charge using micro USB connectors the same as most phones, so you can get a charge in your car, from a PC or power bank - so easy these days. You can also carry extra juice - you can get protectors for bottles from Fasttech and others.

    I should add that the dimensions specified on Ebay, Fasttech and other general vendor sites are often plain wrong, usually because they've copied it from the wrong version of the PV. Better to go to the maker's website where they normally get them right.

    STEALTH influences configuration and operation as well as size. I know from experience that non-smokers (and even smokers) seem a bit shocked when they see a largish complex box mod - the smaller tubes get much less attention. Also you need a PV that doesn't spit, crackle and pop when using MTL, so your vaping is almost silent, which means you need one which is designed for MTL. I've seen the looks of disgust on non-smokers' faces when my PV pops - it's not a nice sound for them, or for me. And if you have the wrong tip, you may get some in the mouth. Yuk!!

    Am I paranoid? Well I could be - how would I know?:=) But many folks have a prejudice against vapers which comes directly from their experiences with smokers. The education continues. I think it's also useful to show smokers that vaping isn't a big deal, and that it can be done so easily with the right gear and technique.
     
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    Noe's newbie list is at http://www.vapercafeaustralia.com/threads/noes-newbie-shopping-guide-revised-2017-edition.4580/

    This is one of the best resources here and was an absolute godsend when I first found it, particularly in understanding the paraphernalia of vaping. Most of it is still valid. I also found the advice re kits a bit complex for my tastes. I prefer simple modern non-box starter kits.

    I try to use Fasttech (https://www.fasttech.com/) as my one stop shop. You'll find many references to them on VCA - often just as 'FT' - some of it good, some not so. I've haven't had any problems at all so far, except that sometimes it takes a little longer to arrive than you expect.

    For a beginner's PV, I suggest the eGo ONE TFTA which is available for about $AU30 including shipping from Fasttech.
    https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10012927/7320301-authentic-joyetech-ego-one-tfta-2300mah-e

    Compared to the basic eGo ONE (and many variants since), this PV is easy to fill, has reasonable airflow control (AFC) and is very simple - you can use it straight out of the box with no adjustments. Even though it uses a 0.6 ohm coil, it doesn't spit and pop. You can also easily see how much juice you have left (which isn't always the case with AIOs).

    Strangely, the TFTA comes with a fairly wide fixed 'mouthpiece' but no drip tip as such, although a standard '510' drip fits inside the mouthpiece. In the photo I've included a drip tip which I added separately. I strongly suggest that you use a separate drip tip, if only for reasons of cleanliness - they're easier to wash. You should be able to bludge a drip tip from your vaper friends, or buy one at your local vape shop. Alternatively you could include them in your order for the TFTA.

    I also recommend the Suorin Air starter kit as a stealth device. You may find it a bit harder to find, but HeavenGifts currently stocks it for USD34.50.

    I don't recommend some of the AIOs recommended here by others, including the eGo AIO and the Aspire Pockex. I found that they both spit and gurgle with the supplied coil, and the Pockex in particular has no AFC.
     
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    What about JUICE then? If your cig-rate is 20+ per day, then you probably need nicotine content around 18mg/ml to start with. Also smoker beginners normally prefer juices with softer flavours. Like many here, I'm not excited about flavours, but I dislike strong flavours.

    The following link is to 30ml of Liqua Bright Tobacco juice (30ml, 18mg/ml nicotine, 50/50 PG/VG, USD4.55). This juice fortunately doesn't taste much like tobacco, but it's inoffensive and I still enjoy it.
    https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10004083/6618704-authentic-liqua-e-liquid-for-electronic

    If you're going to mix juices (to dilute them), you should also get some spare bottles, syringes, and dispensing/refilling (blunt) needles as Noe suggests, all of which should cost you less than $10 too. It's not going to break the bank.

    There are tons of juices out there, so if you're into flavour you have an interesting time ahead.
     
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    COILS. Apart from juices the only other consumable you need to worry about is coils, which will probably last a week or two using MTL, longer with 'thin' juices. You need to make sure that the coils you buy match the PV you've bought, and they'll probably cost you about $3 each online, typically in packs of 2, 5 or more.

    Note that coils come in various 'ohm' ratings. At lower resistances (called 'subohming') the watts drawn from the battery are higher for a constant battery voltage producing more vapour, and the coils are built for a fast and loose draw. Generally you'll find these coils less satisfying for MTL vaping, which needs a slow tight draw.

    For the Suorin Air the coil is included in a cartridge which is the vaporiser. These are a bit more expensive and you may need to hunt around a little to find them.

    Finally, all the gear I've talked of here may be available at your local vape store, except for the nic juice of course. You might pay a little more, but you'll often get great advice and a chance to see the stuff before you buy it.
     
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