Thanks Angela, I think. Actually I'm quite happy with what I've got, but given that my 2nd and 3rd PVs were nothing like what I needed or enjoyed, I became more critical of the market, the promotions, and yes, some of the claims here on VCA. OK, of my knowledge too. Because of the variation in vaping druthers here, many of the comments need to be qualified by context and that's tricky when you know bugger-all. So I became an advocate for the tight-draw-MTL-sometimes-stealthy-beginner. Somewhere along the line I found that I'd caught PV-mania so now I'm hooked. (Thinks: Should that be mod-mania? Nah, I'm not using a mod.) BTW, the worst thing a beginner can do is buy a complex box mod before they've vaped for a time. I know, coz I did it. Not only are they tricky to set up with options that you don't have a clue about, but the settings seem to change too easily as soon as you turn your back (prob due to finger trouble). Not only that but advice like 'start it at 10W and bump it by 2 until you like it' doesn't do much good either if you're not experienced, because you don't know what 'good' really is and the other settings are probably wrong. My approach is to start it at 10W and leave it there (because I can't change it on a simple PV).