Trump or Hilary

Discussion in 'Politics, News, Media, Campaigns' started by Steve Thomas, Oct 3, 2016.

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Trump or Hilary?

  1. Trump

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  2. Hilary

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  1. Judith

    Judith Mostly harmless

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    I don't think there is a left to have an agenda to be honest. I think if there ever was an agenda it is scattered to the winds now. The Labor Party which produced Gough Whitlam (who, love him or hate him, changed Australia forever by bringing in many changes which were beneficial for the masses) doesn't exist anymore. The Greens used to be left but have become so boring and respectable that they have become pointless (although they seem to think they are centrist).
     
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  2. Aqualung

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    Oh crap, just crap.
    I'm not anything at all, she bleats, full of pie eyed innocence.
     
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  3. Aqualung

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    Oh goodness, be still my beating heart.
    I think Judith may have defined our last idealogue, and in doing so, provided the clearest condemnation of the centrist pretenders who have followed.
    So where is there a genuine social democrat I can hitch my wagon to, in my hour of need?
     
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  4. Judith

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    I am hoping that Trump's election will produce another one in the near future. The pretend left is in shock right now but at least they are starting to notice something is wrong.
     
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    Me too. Thats why I loved that Jonathon Pie clip so much
     
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  6. Judith

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    Nearly 15.5 million views for the video just now after a day or so. It is certainly striking a chord with a lot of people.
     
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  7. Angela

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    Chris Hedges is the hero of the true left I reckon. Democratic Socialist and activist. Resigned from the New York Times because he refused to stop speaking out against the invasion of Iraq. I've read a few of his books - brilliant writer.

     
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    Noe Adorably quirky ... QUIRKY Noe! VCA Approved Post Whore

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    Too many of these guys, willing to work for peanuts, to protect the interests of the "elite" 1%ers, is another part of the problem:

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  9. Pippi

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    This letter is gaining huge momentum across the Globe - Not sure what it could possibility achieve but of course I have signed it.
    I am loving seeing the protest rallies with hundreds of thousands of people expressing their condemnation of Trump - I would be there right in the heart of it if I could.
    It gives me hope that I have many kindred spirits worldwide and feel less alone in my refusal to accept majority of the things Trump stands for.
    I am fairly certain that he wont make his full term as President and absolutely certain he wont get a second term.
    https://secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/president_trump_letter_loc/?copy
     
  10. Judith

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    The Americans had an election and he won. A lot of people who voted for him will be just as nervous of him. Did you watch the video Angela posted a couple of posts above? There is deep seated rot in the government of the USA and something good might come out of this election. Nothing good would have come out of a Clinton victory, just more of the same and a lot of angry people on the other side. This election might unite the people as nothing else could when it becomes blatantly obvious what is happening and that Trump won't change a thing.

    On the upside, one of Trump's priorities is the FDA vaping regulations.
     
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    I'd sign that letter if I thought for a second that Trump would give the vaguest fuck about it. He won't. It's an echo chamber that only makes the people who sign feel better. Or worse, feel superior. That turns my stomach a bit to be honest.
     
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    With the greatest respect, I remain steadfast in my thoughts- Yes I get how and why it happened and I do hope that it will create change in the left for the future but in the meantime a lunatic will be the ruler of the free world.
    Australia needs to take note or we could end up with Pauline Hanson as PM - the similarities are too close for comfort.
     
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    Those millions are superior to Trump imo , I also doubt it will do anything but there is always window of hope and the masses can create change.
    I think I wont comment further on this thread (slap me if I do) I get so pissed off and tired of trying to remain polite whilst reading shit I strongly disagree with.
    Keyboard warriors are just that - people might be clever with words but it doesn't make them heroes in my opinion.
     
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  14. Judith

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    Exactly.
     
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  15. Aqualung

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    Thanks Angela, will follow up with his written material.
    If only he had one iota of charisma, I'm sure more would also do so.
     
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    @Pippi, I hope you know that I have come to hold you in high regard. I do not agree with all of your views, but like JFK, will defend your right to express them (hopefully not to my death as he asserted). Which is the point of the whole thread, imo. Trump's election, if nothing else, is a demand from the electorate, that all views, and opinions be heard and considered. I need you to assert your views and argue for them, but having said that, I also need you to consider my views, and point out their failings as you see them. It it insufficient, for me to just read a post, and click like. That is an echo chamber, and produces no change. We need dialogue. We need diversity. And we need mutual respect.
     
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    Jennifer Pyjama Queen

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    Sorry Pippi. I forget sometimes that words can be hurtful....and I wasn't thinking.
     
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    Yes, I was going to add that I thought he was a bit too wooden for politics but figured it would be self-evident, lol. I can watch hours on end of Chris Hedges though - it's good preparation for vacuuming.

    His writing really packs a punch though. I like to think that the seeds of revolution lie within the works of people like Hedges and Noam Chomsky. Those with political skills aren't always the greatest philosophers, but are often inspired by them. The polarising effect of Trump might just be the catalyst for an effective counter-movement arising on the left, and a well sown literary field can only be beneficial.

    Or maybe I should just saddle up Judith's unicorn and go for a ride to the end of the rainbow. :p
     
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    That wouldn't be difficult and I have no doubt that they are.

    I just think it is tactically too early to respond to Trump with protests. Mass protests are far more effective when they are aimed rather than based on an emotional response of anger and frustration to what is in fact a democratically elected president. When he stuffs up and obviously betrays the people who voted for him then protests will hopefully achieve something by being targeted.

    The fact that he chose the vaping/cigar/hookah regulations as one of his 14 top priorities is bizarre and I am waiting to see what comes of it. Another one is Obamacare and we all think of Obamacare being like Medicare and as being a positive for the poor of the USA but I have been noticing a lot of comments about it being funding for the insurance sector. I don't know enough about the USA's recent policy decisions to know if that is true sadly.

    Most of the other 13 priorities directly favour big business.
     
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